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silz · Sep 06, 2007, 01:51 PM // 13:51

@Luciora,

I can only speak having played my Warrior playing thorough GW:EN (I do have another 11 chars including one of each profession at lvl 20).

Did they skimp on the Dwarven? Well it seems the Silver Eagle was a "left over" from design concepts that they added in anyway simply because they had the art work for the warrior. For the other professions, no concept art currently exists.

I guess to balance things, they then decided that the full Warrior Silver Eagle set would equate to the rest of the "mix and match" items in the Central Chamber, and as such there was a conscious decision to not allow it in the HoM.

If that is the case, then I agree the requirement for lvl 5 dwarven seems out of balance. All the other race tracks require lvl 5 for the armor, but you can add that to the HoM (from what I have read)

Heck, the dwarven armor crafter has some of the most expensive individual items of armor in the game (read: nice glowing hands/gloves), one would have thought that anything crafted by these NPC's would warrant a place in the HoM. Regretably at this point, this is seemingly not the case, although they are "looking into it".

Is there Dwarven hatred? I don't think so, just a [misguided] notion that they are sticking to their design parameters, namely that a full set of armor by the same name at elite level is required for the HoM. The individual items, by individual names, available in the central chamber do not meet this rule set in general, and so they rule out the Silver Eagle, just to be fair across all professions (ie, why should the Warriors get an additonal HoM set compared to the other professions - which I can understand)

@Sihaya, I'm sure the response will be that designing armor takes time, and Silver Eagle Armor would be required for 9 more professions. If they do it, and add Silver Eagle to the list viable for the HoM, I'm happy. However as it stands, I just wish they had said "btw the Warrior Silver Eagle set does not count for HoM" before a number of us invested in it as what appears to be a FULL SET of end game armor in GW:EN

Gonzo · Sep 06, 2007, 02:22 PM // 14:22

I bought Dwarven armor for my female ranger as it's the only armor in GW:EN I actually like and the fact that I wanted another set displayed in my ranger's HoM played a part in buying the set, which is by far the most expansive set I bought because of the dragon gloves. So imagine my disapointment when the HoM did not accept it. Even with different names, it's still 4 pieces of armor from the same armor guy and it's the closest to end-game armor GW:EN comes. I feel it should be displayed.

scottyboysn · Sep 06, 2007, 02:48 PM // 14:48

Gotta say I'm pretty upset. I blew a lot of money on this to not see it in my HoM. If it isn't going to be added, I'd like to see the price dropped to 1k and get my money back=P

allancue · Sep 06, 2007, 06:49 PM // 18:49

What a waste. Just another reason to hate this expansion.

Mordakai · Sep 06, 2007, 07:23 PM // 19:23

I can see the point of this being "false advertising."

We were told GWEN had 40 new sets of armor...

Skipping the argument of reskins being new or not, even Anet admits Dwarven armor is not a set... They owe us 9 sets of armor.

If Anet would add 10 sets of unique, end game armor to GWEN I think many people will overlook the rest of the problems.

street peddler · Sep 06, 2007, 07:33 PM // 19:33

dwarven isnt a complete set, it's just more armor pieces for further armor mix-matching.

And warriors only got silver eagle because it was left over and they felt it would be a waste if they didnt just release it.

littlejay · Sep 06, 2007, 09:13 PM // 21:13

70k spent cuz it was the first crafter unlocked, and what? no HoM :/ the sets match fairly well, why have all this armor in one spot if its not full? spread it out some anet <_<

Siirius Black · Sep 06, 2007, 09:40 PM // 21:40

Ok. So to be clear...

what sets of Armor are considered to be Elite and will display in HoM????

Mordakai · Sep 06, 2007, 10:05 PM // 22:05

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Originally Posted by Siirius Black

Ok. So to be clear...

what sets of Armor are considered to be Elite and will display in HoM????

Any armor set 5k or over, except the Dwarf sets because they are not really sets, even the Eagle (apparently).

Anet should fix this, obviously, and/or add new armor to make GWEN have 40 sets.

thunderai · Sep 06, 2007, 10:10 PM // 22:10

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Originally Posted by Mordakai

Any armor set 5k or over, except the Dwarf sets because they are not really sets, even the Eagle (apparently).

Anet should fix this, obviously, and/or add new armor to make GWEN have 40 sets.

The only reason I purchased the Dwarf armor was to put it in HoM. It is ugly as sin and well I want a refund. If they can refund gems for Razza, they certaly can take my dwarf armor back and give me my 70k back so I can spend it on something more HoM worthly.

Why still the dwarf anyway, they are the main reason we won against the destoryers. If I was now made of stone, I would want STONE F'n armor

Xitoahc · Sep 06, 2007, 10:21 PM // 22:21

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Originally Posted by Gonzo

I bought Dwarven armor for my female ranger as it's the only armor in GW:EN I actually like and the fact that I wanted another set displayed in my ranger's HoM played a part in buying the set, which is by far the most expansive set I bought because of the dragon gloves. So imagine my disapointment when the HoM did not accept it. Even with different names, it's still 4 pieces of armor from the same armor guy and it's the closest to end-game armor GW:EN comes. I feel it should be displayed.

Your feelings are understandable and it is regretable that HoM doesn't accept custom mixes, because the Dwarven armor as a whole is considered a "custom" mix as each are stand-alone pieces. Perhaps this will be changed sometime in the future as I know there are many people who enjoy mix and matching their armors. But I feel this is a bit lower on the list of HoM things to adjust at this time, but hopefully with more input of this kind we'll be seeing these kind of changes eventually as HoM gets adjusted.

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Originally Posted by scottyboysn

Gotta say I'm pretty upset. I blew a lot of money on this to not see it in my HoM. If it isn't going to be added, I'd like to see the price dropped to 1k and get my money back=P

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Originally Posted by thunderai

The only reason I purchased the Dwarf armor was to put it in HoM. It is ugly as sin and well I want a refund. If they can refund gems for Razza, they certaly can take my dwarf armor back and give me my 70k back so I can spend it on something more HoM worthly.

Why still the dwarf anyway, they are the main reason we won against the destoryers. If I was now made of stone, I would want STONE F'n armor

These kind of reasons don't have any substance, it's basically "I spent money on an armor I didn't like and took a chance, now I want my money back for gambling with my own money." Why on earth people would buy armor just because they have the gold and still hate it is beyond me, but these kind of reasons aren't giving any constructive feedback to Anet.

thunderai · Sep 06, 2007, 11:41 PM // 23:41

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Originally Posted by Xitoahc

These kind of reasons don't have any substance, it's basically "I spent money on an armor I didn't like and took a chance, now I want my money back for gambling with my own money." Why on earth people would buy armor just because they have the gold and still hate it is beyond me, but these kind of reasons aren't giving any constructive feedback to Anet.

ok let me try this a different way, while looking at the wiki to see what type of armor i would like to buy I thought the dwarf armor looked pretty good. I have three other sets of armor currently in the HoM and I really wanted to add another one. I only ware my 1.5k Kurzic set as i like it the most. The armor I was buying was only for the HoM as I would never actually rune it or ware it.

In this real way I was robbed 70k as there is no reason why dwarf armor would not be considered elite. I have to farm for the points I have to spend bookuu bucks on it. Why is it not elite?

Apoc · Sep 07, 2007, 12:27 AM // 00:27

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Originally Posted by Ahiko

The Labyrinthine armor in Marhan's Grotto goes for 8k a piece, but the materials include 400 Rolls of Vellum making it come out to about 80-100k for the whole set. I haven't tried it in the HoM, but I'm pretty sure it's an Elite/Prestige armor as the Wikis say it is.

Yes, the Labyrinthine armour can be added in the HoM.
I added mine a few days ago.

scottyboysn · Sep 07, 2007, 01:03 AM // 01:03

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Originally Posted by Xitoahc

These kind of reasons don't have any substance, it's basically "I spent money on an armor I didn't like and took a chance, now I want my money back for gambling with my own money." Why on earth people would buy armor just because they have the gold and still hate it is beyond me, but these kind of reasons aren't giving any constructive feedback to Anet.

Who said I didn't like it?? I love the armor. But if they are going to put armor at the end of the game that costs 10k to craft.. then there should be some kind of "Does not work in HoM" warning label

Also, I forget who mentioned it.. but on the box it says 40 new sets of armor. If the dwarven armor doesn't count, and the warrior gets an extra, where are the other 9?

Moloch Vein · Sep 07, 2007, 02:52 AM // 02:52

Frankly... and to give this issue a reply instead of just coming up with a joke or whine a little about it.

It is obvious that a lot of people feel that the armor sets from GW:EN are poorly designed. I agree with them. I think most people who actually have an opinion agree with them.

It's also true that the statement about "40 new armor sets" was false. Plain false. Even if we accept unoriginal reskins as new armor sets, even A-net themselves say that Dwarven armor isn't a set.

What we need isn't a "Silver Eagle" set for every profession. We need Destroyer armor, designed according to the line of the Destroyer weapons.

A-net has a lot of time before GW2 comes out. Adding this as the ultimate elite set of GW:EN and putting some thought into it shouldn't be inconceivable.

lynn yi · Sep 07, 2007, 06:18 AM // 06:18

*sigh* I grind out the dwarf points and put out the gold to buy my set of dwarven for my monk as well only to find after the fact that i couldn't add it to HOM and then came here and found this thread.

I really hope they do decide to change it seeing as how it really ought to be considered an elite set. And what's this crap about it not being meant to be a set but being meant to mix and match with other armor? Hmm... that sounds like crap to me as the pieces don't actually mesh with other suits well IMO, mostly due to the patterns.

Curse You · Sep 08, 2007, 02:23 AM // 02:23

In case you didn't notice, there is no "Dwarven Armor" set. Each armour piece belongs to it's own set, as is apparent if you read the names on each piece.

The whole purpose of "Dwarven Armor" is for mixing a matching. That's why each armour piece seems to have no relation to one another.

allancue · Sep 10, 2007, 02:52 AM // 02:52

I guess I should have just intuited that. I'll let you go back and read the multiple quotes which came directly from ANet as to how many "sets" were advertised to be included.

But hey, maybe you're just one of the many psychics playing this game who can intuit these sorts of things.

I'm sure that the hundreds of players who purchased this armor expecting it to work in their HoM should have been able to do the same. Thank you for clarifying that for us.

Curse You · Sep 10, 2007, 03:49 AM // 03:49

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Originally Posted by allancue

I guess I should have just intuited that. I'll let you go back and read the multiple quotes which came directly from ANet as to how many "sets" were advertised to be included.

But hey, maybe you're just one of the many psychics playing this game who can intuit these sorts of things.

I'm sure that the hundreds of players who purchased this armor expecting it to work in their HoM should have been able to do the same. Thank you for clarifying that for us.

Don't make assumptions. You know where that leads, only I'm right and your, you know what.

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/User_..._clarification

Spazzer · Sep 10, 2007, 03:57 AM // 03:57

Actually, that confirms (rather than discounts) what he was trying to say. If the dwarven "set" isn't a "set", then we didn't get 40 armor "sets".